Describe a Car/Truck You'd Buy if They Actually Made It

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 12/11/2019 at 10:20 • Filed to: None

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Mazda, RWD w/ LSD , manual, 300+ hp NA inline 6 that revs to 7500 RPM , 4 doors/5 seats , 3500 lbs , with the styling of the Vision concept but the size of the current 6 sedan (and even better if a wagon variant ).

404 - User No Longer Available > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:23

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I’ve said it before and said it again: Just put the darn manual transmission from the G70 in the Stinger GT and I’ll buy it.

functionoverfashion > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:23

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Suburban with a manual. In fact, a Ford Expedition EL or whatever, with the old V10 and the 6-speed manual that could be had with that, back in the early 00's.

I’m sure I’ve mentioned it before, but I used to drive a work truck with that setup quite a bit. F-350 regular cab, base model, with the V10 and a 6-speed manual. 30 years from now when one comes up on the contemporary equivalent of Bring a Trailer it’ll be hard to stop me from buying that unicorn. I suspect most of them were used like mine was: as a work truck that was beaten every day of its life, making them even more rare than they’d already be. 

XJDano > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:24

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Under $5,000 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > 404 - User No Longer Available 12/11/2019 at 10:25

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Yeah, for sure!

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > XJDano 12/11/2019 at 10:25

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“at what price” is an important distinction in this exercise.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 12/11/2019 at 10:26

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Yeah, but that’s no fun.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > XJDano 12/11/2019 at 10:26

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LOL

Nom De Plume > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:27

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I’d like to see SUV complete the cycle back into sporty utility vehicles. The example of a starting and mid point that comes to mind is the MINI. Which currently has a larger body than early SUV.

Obviously this invokes the cry for brown turbo manual resistant to underbody damage.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:28

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Ford Jeep

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 12/11/2019 at 10:28

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I’d expect $40k to be a reasonable MSRP for the car I described.

Nibby > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:28

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ford tempo

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > 404 - User No Longer Available 12/11/2019 at 10:28

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Even if they only offered it on the 4 cylinder models , I’d still probably go for that over the GT

Khalbali > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:28

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I would also really want this but it would have to be starting over 40k minimum, no way I could afford it new. I'd settle for speed3, and I'm still upset we don't get the current 2, I'm looking at the iA as a cheap daily but I still want to import a real 2 hatch someday. I'd also just be happy with a sports car bigger than a Miata, like rx8 sized even if no rotary.

Chuckles > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:30

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Are we talking new vehicles? Probably nothing.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 12/11/2019 at 10:30

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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Khalbali 12/11/2019 at 10:31

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Yeah, I really want to see a larger RWD option from Miata.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:34

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I’ve always be en curious what it would take for any manufacturer to produce the cheapest enthusiast car they can. Like <$12 k cheap .

It would have to be RWD, manual, 2 seater (1 seater maybe?) and very lightweight. But all the R+D goes into tuning it to be the most fun to drive driving experience .

N o A/C, no power anything, no radio.

No LED lighting, or extraneous exterior trim.

Could be off the shelf, headlights/ taillights, mirrors, wheels, brakes.

Cloth seats, minimally styled, cheap plastic dashboard.

Basic, off-the-shelf, ( but still tuned for fun) 4 cylinder e ngine/exhau st

I’m thinking something along the lines of the Polaris slingshot/Exocet, but more real car, less seasonal toy.

adamftw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:35

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- A real, new Blazer based on the Colorado with a ZR2 package. They already make it in Australia ... its CALLED THE TRAILBLAZER .

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Chuckles 12/11/2019 at 10:36

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I’m okay with What If They Had Made It? hypothesizing there...

I’d love a factory E91 M3...

Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:41

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I sold my mx-5 when baby came into our life. W hile looking for a family friendly car, I thought: I just want a car that is as fun, cheap to run , and reliable as the mx-5, but with back seats. B asically a rx-8 with a 4 pot.
If it were somehow legal in France, I’d get a rx-8 and put the 2.0 mx-5 NC engine in it. Nothing crazy.
I get that the rx-8 isn’t exactly what you’d call family friendly, but at least it comes with back seats

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 12/11/2019 at 10:41

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Only way would be for it to be a replica, so they could take advantage of that new law and not have to have all of the modern required safety tech.

Honestly, as manuals leave the major manufacturers, there may be more opportunity for small builders to take advantage of the remaining demand.

But a t this price, most buyers will just buy an old Miata/86/other.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:41

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I’m with you for the most part, but ditch the NA V-6 and just turn the 2.5t right way around . We live in a time of glorious turbocharged greatness.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > adamftw 12/11/2019 at 10:44

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This is on the Colorado chassis?

AestheticsInMotion > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:45

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Miata, but awd. Weight would ideally be kept the same through the usage of lighter components, and less luxury features. Slight power bump, but still under 200hp.

Also, rwd manual hatchback. But like... Hot hatch. Basically a rwd GTI. Why is this not a thing?

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:45

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I want the new RS6, but with the diesel V8 from the SQ7, the hybrid system out of the Panamera, and a manual. I want it in brown. I also want it to cost $20k new.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:45

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Yeah, I could live with that. I really want hydraulic steering, but figured that was asking too much.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction 12/11/2019 at 10:45

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Yeah, that’d be great.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > AestheticsInMotion 12/11/2019 at 10:49

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Makes me wonder what the lightest AWD car currently sold is...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 12/11/2019 at 10:49

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LOL

A boy can dream...

promoted by the color red > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:49

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6MT Levorg

adamftw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:49

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Yup.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:50

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Although, we're finally starting to get a bit better at the electric steering thing.  I test drove a Kia stinger last week, and the electric steering wasn't bad.  There was actually some feedback.  Beyond the steering, it was a very good car.  I came away impressed.  The overall feeling of the car was familiar to my formed E39, but with more power.

Maxima Speed > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:51

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Ok that one I can actually do.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > promoted by the color red 12/11/2019 at 10:51

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Yes!

Milky > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:52

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Mazda is a weird company. I’ve read they’re not doing great but then they are also developing a RWD platform to share with Toyota and an inline-6 and a rotary.

I hope all of it works out.  

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:52

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Haven’t driven one yet, but that’s high praise!

It’s like they have a great old ///M engineer working on them, or something...

WilliamsSW > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 10:53

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Easy. An updated version of this.

Full sized, comfortable for 4 adults, plenty of storage space, and convertible. Ideally AWD on a RWD platform. And at a reasonable price. Think Charger, not S Class.  

WilliamsSW > promoted by the color red 12/11/2019 at 10:55

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+1!

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > AestheticsInMotion 12/11/2019 at 10:55

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RWD Manual Hot hatch? It lives  in Europe! M135i could be had as a hatchback.

interstate366, now In The Industry > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:00

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TLX wagon. Or GS350 wagon.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:01

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A new Focus ST with the 2.3 ecoboost. Man, but that’s such a pipe dream....

Oh wait! Th at exists! And I could buy it!.....If Ford wasn’t made of a bunch of COWARDS!!!!

That could be me, but instead I’ll probably get a Veloster N for my next car. Th ey just need to make it in a properly  bright color. Red just doesn’t sear the retinas enough for my tastes.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:02

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I have a few that I would buy if they were actually made:

Crosstrek STi

Fit Si

A late 80's/early 90's sized compact pickup

A cheap competitor to the Jeep Wrangler (not counting the Roxor here). Think Suzuki Sidekick.

Jim Spanfeller > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:02

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This is only sort of related, but in the 1960s, one of the options you could order for a Dodge Coronet wagon was a Hemi. But no one ever did. Someone could’ve ordered an epic sleeper Hemi wagon from the factory, but nope, so none exist other than hot-rodded ones. But if someone had, that would be a dream car for me. As far as new cars go, I’ve thought for a long time that the perfect family car would be a manual hot hatch-ified minivan. Front-drive hot hatches aren’t too different from minivans from a mechanical perspective, so how hard could it be, right? The problem with minivans is that people think they’re uncool/boring/ugly, so they buy SUVs instead. I think the answer to getting more people to drive minivans is to just make cooler, more enjoyable minivans, so people won’t feel like they’re giving up on fun and coolness for buying one. Something like this:

But with the drivetrain and styling cues from this:

We need a Honda Odyssey Type R.

AestheticsInMotion > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:03

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Alternatively, I'll take a 2800 pound sti

interstate366, now In The Industry > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:04

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At the time the second gen Lexus GS was out, its Asia-only chassis-mate, the Crown, had  a wagon version available that could be ordered with a turbo 1JZ. Imagine that being offered here. They would have sold 8.

whatisthatsound > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:05

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It’s made, but the US is frustrating with their towing laws. If Porsche North America would allow the Panamera to tow 4,400 lbs like they do in Europe I’d get a sport turismo GTS yesterday. I know they have different standards for speeds , but it is frustrating none the less. I’d get an aerovault trailer for a total combined for 3500lbs on an aerodynamic trailer.

Poor_Sh > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:08

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From factory Miata with a Coyote or similar, manual, no infotainment or 60-way seats or new safety driver assists (adaptive cruise, auto braking, cameras, etc). ABS and TCS are ok. 18" wheels maximum.

Shift24 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:08

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AWD Accord or maybe C ivic hatch with the type R 2.0T manual. Basically an STi killer

STi are t oo much bro/vape for a car, don’t particularly like the “boxer” sound, and i want reliability (basically forged internals).

I know the T ype R already has beaten it in multiple head to heads but with the rally cross I do AWD is much more fun.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:08

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I will never tire of the brown, manual, diesel wagon joke

Jesus Arias > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:13

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Pontiac Banshee IV concept

Biggus Dickus (RevsBro) > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:13

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Not a car but motorcycle. Ducati 4-valve liquid cooled 750cc over-square L-twin. 12k rpm redline. ~130hp. Price ~$14k. Rumors have something along these lines is in the pipeline. 

Chuckles > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:15

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As much as I love cars, there probably isn't anything that the automotive industry could have done/ could do to convince me to spend new car money on anything. There's just too much value in going used. I have come to peace with the idea as a used car buyer, automakers will not cater to my tastes. I love Miatas, and I hope to own an ND someday now that I've sold my NA, but there was literally nothing Mazda could have done to entice me to buy a new ND short of selling it new for $7,500.

404 - User No Longer Available > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 12/11/2019 at 11:16

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Doesn’t matter. You can price it $3000 and people will still say they’ll wait for a used one and pay $1000 for it.

XJDano > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:16

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Obviously there isn’t new cars under $10,000. So, yeah it’s kind of satire at this point. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > interstate366, now In The Industry 12/11/2019 at 11:17

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Awesome.

OPPOsaurus WRX > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:18

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i never got around to stretching the bed but basic ally that thing there.

i want something big enough so my 3 kids can squeeze int he back but small enough to still be agile and fun. The bed only has to be big enough for a couple trashcans or to hold my mountain bike with the tailgate down.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 12/11/2019 at 11:19

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‘Shoe 2.0

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > AestheticsInMotion 12/11/2019 at 11:19

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NVH city! LOL

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Jim Spanfeller 12/11/2019 at 11:21

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https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15391593/return-of-the-boss-wagon-mazdaspeed-5/

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 12/11/2019 at 11:22

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The N seems pretty great! Hopefully they N a bunch more Hyundais.

Textured Soy Protein > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:22

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Civic Type R or Veloster N i f either of them offered a sunroof, heated seats, and active cruise.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > whatisthatsound 12/11/2019 at 11:23

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Is that a law or a recommendation...? If it’s the same car, and it’s rated that high in Europe...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Shift24 12/11/2019 at 11:24

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This would be sweet.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > WilliamsSW 12/11/2019 at 11:25

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Sorry, CrossCabriolet for you! LOL

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 12/11/2019 at 11:25

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These are all great.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Poor_Sh 12/11/2019 at 11:25

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Modern Cobra!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Milky 12/11/2019 at 11:26

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I just hope they survive at this point.

I wonder if they’ll end up as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Toyota.

WilliamsSW > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:27

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Lol it doesn’t meet my space requirements anyways.

There hasn’t been a vehicle that fits what I’m talking about since the 1975 GM B body convertible.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Textured Soy Protein 12/11/2019 at 11:28

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They should seriously offer a Type R with a little more lux and less shouty exterior/interior.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > OPPOsaurus WRX 12/11/2019 at 11:29

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Yes! Love it.

You should make a separate post of this if you haven’t already.

whatisthatsound > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:29

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They don't sell the stock hitch option in the US, so you have to cut the rear diffuser and it voids the warranty. Very lame.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:30

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I’ll believe it when I see it. Could suck.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > whatisthatsound 12/11/2019 at 11:30

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Very. Buy used, I guess.

Textured Soy Protein > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:31

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I’m fine with the shouty styling. I’m just annoyed that even though you can have those 3 features on the Civic Si and Veloster Turbo, no dice on their higher-performance siblings. Meanwhile in Canada both the CTR and Veloster N get heated seats, and the steering wheel is heated too in the Hyundai.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 12/11/2019 at 11:31

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Hopefully not.

Poor_Sh > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:32

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Basically, yes. One can dream. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:33

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I sometimes feel like I should hold out for it, but likely no manual

SaigaShooter - He's got an Impreza > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:38

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With a turbo and a 6 speed.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Textured Soy Protein 12/11/2019 at 11:39

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Weight savings!

I could live without the sunroof (more room for helmet), but heated seats and radar cruise are NICE.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > SaigaShooter - He's got an Impreza 12/11/2019 at 11:40

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Nice! Hoonmobile.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 12/11/2019 at 11:40

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Very likely, but maybe they actually will to compete with Jeep?

No idea what the take-rate is for Wranglers.

Sammyno55 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:41

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Let's bring back the PLC (personal luxury coupe/convertible). Focus on ride quality and not sportiness. If I'm dreaming, make it a plug-in hybrid, so I could commute for free. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:42

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Dropping. I personally won’t buy a vehicle without a manual, so I probably won’t own one

kanadanmajava1 > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 12/11/2019 at 11:44

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Your idea sounds brilliant. I would also like it be very tiny. And I mean “can you really fit inside there ” tiny. Just like Moretti 750 Gran Sport Berlinetta used to be.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:44

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Indeed. I never thought I’d want a Kia, but I’d like to own that Kia. Then again,  I’d have laughed if ten years ago someone told me the first twin turbocharged, aluminum bodied with active aero vehicle I’d own would be a 1/2 ton pickup truck, but that happened.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Sammyno55 12/11/2019 at 11:46

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https://www.lexus.com/models/LC-hybrid

Only gets 35 mpg... and not exactly cush.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:47

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Ha!

thejustache > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:49

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I’ve been saying this for a little bit now, but a new Subaru Justy. Not just because I like Subarus and Justy was my nickname growing up, but I think it would be a new car that’d have me thinking seriously about picking it up (if specc’ed according to my hypothetical situation).

B Segment hatch, honda fit sized. But with AWD, maybe a 1.4l with 120hp, and a manual. Let’s say 2,600lb curb weight . Since this is my dream, they also make a 1.6l 210hp turbo hot hatch version. I suppose a hybrid version with a cvt makes sense for volume sales.

Considering that pretty much all b segment cars are no longer for sale here ( and even if it did it’d be CVT only), this won’t ever happen. I f it did though, I would totally be one of the 5 people to buy one.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > thejustache 12/11/2019 at 11:51

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Fun! Light makes right.

Milky > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:51

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Sharing platforms / plants I’m cool with. Wholly owned would certainly end up killing what I like about Mazda.

But I just googled it and auto week did a piece on it 2 days ago.

“ Mazda is not going to be a mini-Toyota. Mazda will remain Mazda. If we lose that Mazda brand value, the consumer will no longer have a reason to purchase a Mazda.”

https://autoweek.com/article/people/mazda-will-not-become-mini-toyota-mazda-usa-ceo-masahiro-moro-assures-us

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:53

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Mid-engine  Veloster N with a manual

t0ast > AestheticsInMotion 12/11/2019 at 11:56

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This a million times over. The current STI is very good, but spoiled for me slight ly by having driven a first gen JDM example . Improvements have been made over the years, yes, but the driving experience is so much better when shrunk down to a ~2800 lb, slightly-larger-than-BRZ-sized package.

Khalbali > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:59

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Don't get me wrong, I’ve owned 2 miatas and 4 Mazdas total, 2 of them bought brand new, I love miatas but I just can't daily one anymore, and even as a second car it's pretty rough, I'm a big guy. I find myself wanting an RX-8 more and more, I've yet to own a rotary.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 11:59

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I’m assuming my vehicle comes from GMC/Chevy as that is my biased preference, but if someone else can sling this combo together...

Minimums :

- Original S10 sized truck

- Proper 4wd arrangment (2 HI/4HI/4LO)

- Extended Cab/6 ' Box (I actually prefer 5' on the basis that once you’ve got a bed shorter than 8', the usefulness is about the same, but typically you’d never see an Ext/5' combo)

- Colorado-style tailgate cables to allow the hauling of 4'x8' material if needed

- TOGGLE SWITCHES for traction control and stability control

- LTG 2.0T engine

- Paddle shift or similar—NOT the lazy +/- toggle button

- S waybars front and rear (Front only is typically the norm with pickups iirc)

- Supportive bucket seats - Sport cloth with leather bolsters

- A BUILT IN GARBAGE CAN. (Seriously, this is like the ultimate convenience. How is it not a thing yet. So often there’s not even a place for a garbage bag to hang. ) I suggest a continuation of the console out the back since the rear center seat would be pretty much useless anyway. Removable for dumping of course.

Would be nice:

- Crew Cab/5' Box

- Some sort of adjustable ride height mechanism

- 5.3, 6.0 or 6.2V8 because funzies

- Manual trans

- Heavy-duty swaybars front and rear with remote electric quick-disconnect endlinks

...and probably a shitload of other stuff, but that’s the main things. Basically I’m looking for the ultimate miniature jack  of all trades master of none vehicle.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > kanadanmajava1 12/11/2019 at 12:00

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That looks fantastic!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Milky 12/11/2019 at 12:04

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I’d love it if the Miata engine ended up in the next 86.

Very cool to read of Akio-san’s love for Mazda’s products and ethic. Hopefully Mazda can be the “little brother” company that he’d really love Toyota to be.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 12:05

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European tow  ratings are based on a car doing 30mph, USA for you to safely do 65. Hammerhead did a good write 3 years ago

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/11/2019 at 12:05

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Yeah, I know what I described is pretty close to an early Miata, haha.

I guess I’m thinking this could be bought new, with warranty not with 60k+miles on it, and still meet modern safety requirements.

Im just curious how muc they could save using existing components as possible from other vehicles (or just cutting features all together)   and putting ALL the new mon ey towards tuning it to be fun to drive.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Khalbali 12/11/2019 at 12:05

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Seems like it might be time (if you willing to deal with the heartache).

We were a 2-Mazda family for a while; I’m sure I’ll eventually own a Miata.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 12/11/2019 at 12:07

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Aha... that seems pretty crazy to rate it at such a low speed.